llion people to rediscover the joy of being active this summer. see the difference all of us can make... together. thanks for disrupting your afternoon. i'm karen finney. edward snowden is on the move from russia with love. >> we've got breaking news, nsa leaker edward snowden is on the move. >> apparently on his way it venezuela seeking asylum. >> they decided to let him go. >> a game of cat and mouse and the u.s. government lost this round. >> that he stay out of the clutches of the u.s. government. >> he is a felon. >> how can he be charged with espionage. >> he is complaining about the united states and all these things that united states is doing wrong and he might end up

in venezuela, good luck, pal. >> i think it is fair to say that u.s. is upset about this. >> what snowden has revealed has caused irreversible and significant damage to our country. >> mr. snowden told the truth in the name of privacy. >> he has put this country under threat. they are telling al qaeda operatives not to use certain internet systems because the u.s. will catch them. >> mr. snowden told the truth. >> he is passing along power point on-line. >> the freedom chair is not exactly china, russia, cuba, venezuela. >> it's the story that took a dramatic shift overnight. we and the rest of the world are trying to keep up with the fast-changing developments in the story of nsa leaker edward snowden. here is what we know at this hour. snowden left hong kong on a flight to moscow where he believed to be currently hold up

at the airport. we learned is scheduled on a flight to cuba tomorrow. he requested asylum in ecuador. why ecuador, why cuba, why russia? those are some of the questions in the game of cat and mouse where so many u.s. secrets are at stake. i bring in david lofman, jamaal simmons and jonathan alter. thank you, gentlemen, for joining me this morning. so i want to start with you, david, because you know, it struck me, china essentially let snowden go. it felt like they just didn't want to have to deal with this problem. they could have stopped him from leaving the country. am i reading that correctly. >> it is true, they could have asked for a provisional arrest warrant. could have issued that. they did not. the u.s. submitted a criminal complaint to authority in hong kong. that could have been the basis for them to detain him. they did not.

. it would appear for political reasons, the government would have elected to send him to moscow. >> my vaed moread more, the gov of china didn't want -- there were folks that wanted to support in protest of him but it seems china did not want to have to get into an ugly back and forth with the united states on this. >> it is quite comfortable the government of chinese put pressure on the government of hong kong. hard pressed to know, but more likely than not. >> so they land at the airport in moscow and technically, though he did not go through customs, he doesn't have a passport, but he still te technically, i would think, still on russian soil. couldn't the russians help us out here? >> i first went to the old soviet union in 1987 and moscow

airport can be pretty rough place, if they're not looking out for you. >> yeah. >> if they wanted to do the united states any favors, they could have made arrangement to pick him up and have him extradited to the united states. but they don't want to do that. they are using the fig leaf of saying, he hasn't gone through border patrol so he is in an international zone. which is kind of only valid if they don't want it help. >> right. i feel like putin is going to do what putin want to do when he wants it do it. so if he wanted to be helpful -- >> of course. >> this is kind of the second snub. we know going into the g 8, there was tension. and syrians said we will still provide arms to assad's regime and here we are a few days later and it feels like a poke in the eye to our president. >> putin has not been at all cooperative the last couple of

years. hasn't done much since signing sanctions to iran. united states gave up a lot in exchange for getting him to go along with that. and i think he feels now he doesn't owe us any favors. he is, however, facing an energy crunch in his own country, if you can imagine. the russian economy hasn't been in good shape. it is in especially bad shape right now because they are not getting as much for natural resources as they have in the past. he should have reason to -- >> to be helpful. >> more friendly to the west but he is not showing it. >> jamaal, you know, politically speaking, this is not what the white house wanted to be dealing with at the beginning of this week, right? the president is giving a speech tomorrow. or i'm sorry, on tuesday. on climate change. you know, it strikes me that this puts the white house in kind of a tough spot because we still have questions about the program itself. about what was going on and now we are sort of changing, trying to figure out what is going on

with edward snowden. where is he and why we can't seem to get our hands on him. >> yeah. it is not a great week. let's think about it for a second. i'm curious as to how he made it from whatever hotel he was in to the airport without americans sort of knowing this is happening at the time. what kind of surveillance we have on him. at the same time, i think the administration has got a political problem kind of on its left flank along with the problem on its right flank. people are concerned about, you know, amount of the fisa court and how limited it is for anyone to find out what is going on there. how long it'll be handled. there are real questions about how the government is maintaining surveillance over everyone's phone records. >> right. snowden said he wanted to stand up for civil liberties and here is what he fold the "guardian."

take a listen. >> if comfortably it is something you are willing to accept and i think many of us are. it is the human nature. you can get up everyday. can you good to work. can you collect your large paycheck for relatively little work. against the public interest. but if you realize that that's the world that you helped create and it is going to get worse with the next generation and next generation who extend the capabilities of this sort of architecture of oppression, you realize that you might be willing to accept any risk. >> you know, jonathan, as jamaal mentioned, there is some issue, some issues on the left with regard to how snowden is treated. he says he is doing this for very noble reasons. but i hate to say this, i sort of agree with lindsay graham. the freedom trail doesn't exactly go from china -- and the irony being he leaked secrets to china knowing we've had problems with china actually and corporate espionage and how it

impacted our own american companies. from china to russia, then cube why, then ecuador. doesn't this challenge his credibility a little bit. >> i think his credibility was already challenged. he is a law breaker. the difference between obama administration and bush administration, is under obama, whether one approves of it or not, it was legal. however, snowden was breaking the law. he took an oath. to protect the secrets. he was given these secrets to protect and he has broken the law on several occasions. does that mean he should be shot at dawn? no. but the -- does that mean he should be treated like benedict arnold? not necessarily. but let's not pretend he didn't break the law. however, the president needs to come out and say clearly, if the government knows more about the people than ever before, easier

than ever for us to -- for the government to learn about us, it needs to be easier for us to learn about what the government is doing in our name. so we need, at a minimum, much more transparency about the fisa court. much more transparency about what these programs do. that does not jeopardizes national security for there to be more information about these programs. >> i don't disagree with that. i think many of us are uncomfortable with the idea. snowden is now traveling around with four lap tops. and we're not the only ones he should be worried -- >> and it is very possible that he did get china or other adversaries secrets. we don't know yet. >> david, question to you. i want to talk about the sort of legal issues here. so help us understand why it is that snowden would ultimately be trying to go to ecuador. what is the nature of our relationship with ecuador and what are our sort of our legal options, if you will, somewhere

between him stopping off in cuba and ending up in ecuador, david? >> well, immediately, as we sit here, the united states government is putting trying to put pressure on the russian government to deport him. his u.s. passport is revoked. there is discretion to turn him over to the united states. that doesn't appear to be in the cards. so the question is how can he seek asylum in ecuador. how can the ecuadorians take physical control and how can he physically get to ecuador. that can only happen if the russians are the handmadens. if he gets there, the u.s. has very limited options. there is a treaty going back to the 1870s. the ecuadorian government can only extradite him if he is charged in the united states that is a crime that is also a crime under ecuadorian law. if he is charged with an offense that in the ecuadorian judge the says it political offense, and

many believe snowed snowden's conduct is, then he could stay there for the rest of his life. >> there are two issues now, right? this issue in terms of snowden and tracking him and now, you know, sort of an international manhunt, if you will. but still a lot of questions here in the united states about the use of contractors. overreliance of contractors. transparency. and i think to john and his point, i don't think we are satisfied yet with the answers that we've gotten from the administration. despite the fact that i actually agree with some of what they were saying about the risk that snowden has put valuable information in. >> that's right. i'm not as worried about barack obama and this administration. though i imagine some people would be. but in the future, what is to stop some j. edgar hoover type. at the very least, we ought to have an independent inspector general monitoring this process. an adversarial lawyer in front of the judge when the government makes his case for fisa warrant,

and red team it a little bit then find out how long they keep the records of ours in the data base and they purge them at a regular interval. we ought to have some kind of oversight here and not just trust the government to get it all done. >> a commission to investigate this and issue a report for the american people. i think that the least president obama can do is have this issue studied. recommendations on how to change the fisa court. how to change classifications systems and not as much is secret and how to tell the contractors and computer companies in where their responsibilities begin and end. >> i think we need to go back and take a look, as you point out, president is not breaking the law. i think this system isn't working right now so we need to go back and rethink it. given this new context. i want to thank jamaal simmons, david laufman and jonathan alter. >> congratulations, karen. good stuff. >> thank you. we also just learned that

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to support this magnificent country. they transform the agency that many people fear more than deaf. >> anybody want it fire some irs agent? >> why don't we start with the 16,000 irs agents that many implem obama care. >> we all remember that irs is the enforcement arm for the aca, for obama care. do you trust the irs with your health care? >> no. >> do you want the irs to know about your healthcare? >> no! >> looked like the band was getting back together this week. no, not the blues brothers. our old friend from the tea party. there they are for the first time in years, like michele bachmann and glenn beck, rand paul and ted cruz. railing again the irs in the name of liberty and freedom. oh, yeah and keeping that nonscandal going. you remember that so-called

scandal that turned out to be about a guy in cincinnati trying to determine in the groups qualify for tax-exempt status to keep the name of their donors secret? what if i told you this was really about ataking obama care. the very thing that brought them together in the first place. and what if i told you these folks see the irs scandal see the first thing of killing the obama care on the eve of its administration. repeal obama care to stop irs abuse. brilliant at a sinister level. 37 separate house votes to repeal obama care haven't work sewed let's use this so-called scandal it do it. after all this fuss, who is ever going to question the tea party again. let's bring in the offer of the machine, a field guide to the resurgent right, our friend, lee

fang. >> thank you for having me. >> so washington, if you will, directly to this whole investigation, but in a letter to treasury secretary jack lieu he did ask for other things all documents and communications sent by, received by or copied to any employee of the department of the treasury between january 1, 2009 and the present or relating to the establishment of the affordable care act office. and the corresponding personnel and staffing decisions for affordable care. now, okay, this is not just some conspiracy, right? so darrell issa, losing credibility, incomes the tea party to keep it going. >> that's right, karen. republicans, as you mentioned, have attempted to repeal the law 37 times and failed. they tried to make things up about the law, like death

panels, and that hasn't stuck. so i think in an act of desperation to undermine the law they are trying to link the irs tax-exempt issue with the irs department trying to link obama care. there is no proof this department did anything wrong and i think in doing all of this, and prompting another investigation, they are going to destroy any credibility they had left on this irs issue. >> we know the irs will hire additional people with the implementation of the obama care. i believe 6 million americans next year, low income americans that ne need to help and make sure credits are administered. as you saw this week, some say there is no link at all. nothing to see here. but then we saw americans for prosperity, one of the so-called grass roots organizations that you write about. they posted a petition on their website. obama care to stop irs abuse. now this is one of the very same groups that sought 501c4 status

to keep donors secret. now we know the identity of some donors. this feels like hypocrisy at its best. am i reading that right? >> i think that's fair. in the gop house, it is not necessarily speaker boehner who calls the shots. it is increasingly very powerful over republican activists and billionaire backed groups like americans for prosperity funded by the koch brothers. they are demanding that republicans link the irs. that exempt scandal. which they don't want to talk about because of the phony c4. but they want to link this to obama care because they want to undermine the affordable care act. so brent bow zel, they are sendi sending letters to lawmakers. as you can see, darrell issa is more or less following orders in attempting to do so.

>> lee, we know more as you were just saying, about the tea party groups than we did back in 2010. you have written about this in your book. tell us more about who they really are. because it is not as much of a sort of homegrown grass roots organization ease people might currently believe. >> sure. in early 2009, republican party, brand was in tatters. gallup poll showed that republican party had one of the lowest approval ratings ever since they started taking those types of polls. so conservatives needed a proxy. they couldn't use the republican party, so they today invent something. they came up with the tea party. they hired organizers and placed them in states across the country to gin up outrage on things like health reform, climate change, tax reform. they fanned out to create the tax movement. a lot was manufactured. hiring buss to push people around.

go ahead. >> they also saw an opportunity. right? there were some groups of people who were feeling diseffected and frustrated. seems like they saw the opportunity and latched on to it. >> there was incredible outrage in the country. financial crises, housing collapse, all of the calamity that happened in late 2008. and uncertainty, early in the obama administration, someone needed to harness that anger and they did a good job of doing so. >> how convenient, here they are, they're back. thank you, lee fang. >> that's right. you know -- oh, go -- >> take care, lee. >> okay, take care, karen. >> make sure to tell us what stories you want to hear more about. you can catch us on face book or tweet us on msnbcdisrupt. we'll be right back. is like hammering.

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more than 66,000 american troops still serving in afghanistan. the tell ban launched a sprink offensive that claimed the lives of 6500 americans this year. afghan security forces took the lead, officially, in the fight against the taliban. while there are signs of concrete progress, as the u.s. approaches draw down next year, the question is whether or not the more than 350,000 afghan forces will be able to hold their own. will secretary of state john kerry be able to bring the taliban back to the table to the peace talks? which were put on hold earlier this week? here to discuss medal of honor recipient and military analyst colonel jack jacobs and just back from afghanistan on assignment washington post staff writer pamela constable. thanks to you both for being here. >> thank you. >> this back and forth this week, with the taliban, there was going to be peace talks, there wasn't, was that just a pr stunt on the part of the

taliban? or do we think they are sincere about come together table? >> the taliban has nothing to lose by sitting down and talks is. talking costs them anything. they give up nothing. they commit to nothing. it is a bit like being in business on wall street. nothing matters until the deal not only is signed but actually closes. the taliban would sit down and talk and get a great number of concessions and still keep fighting. >> pamela, you are just there for a month. what did you see in terms of military progress? what was the mood there? >> the mood was rather grim and gloomy while i was there. the taliban has this incredible surge of attacks. many of them on international targets, including international charities. the afghan supreme court and other targets. people were very nervous and

tense. and then in mood, people are worried about the elections coming up in april and very worried about the nato force withdraw there is a great sense of uncertainty about just where the country is going. >> now david ignasias, he wrote about more female students, more women in parliament, more women in government. so it sounds like it is not all negative. would you agree with that, pamela? >> yes. though those painoints david ma are true, but they have been true for a long time. women have been serving in parliament steadily for the past decade. the bad news is quite recent and rather acute at the moment but i would agree that over the long hall, yes, there have been progress in many areas. >> jack, how do we assess the military readiness of the afghan sourcees. we have been hearing a lot more about the afghans taking the

lead. in a number of the maneuvers that have been going on. do we think they are making progress they need to be making. >> it all depends on where you are talking about. it is spotty. they are good in some areas. some areas are quite quiet and part of the reason is that afghan military is doing a very good job. a lot of places are not quiet. including kabul. is not quiet. the area near the pakistan border in the northwest and then in the northeast, and kandahar, very large and very important province, is not doing all that well. but remaining is a single biggest problem i think the afghans have and that's not what their military, it is with the police. they are not good and i don't see them getting good any time soon. >> jack, there was a let are released on thursday, from the inspector general from afghan construction and he reports that several western companies are actually cheating hundreds of

afghan workers out of some $69 million. we know that us aid and dod have had similar nonpayments. we've had dramatic lengthses the afghans said they would go to to try to get payment. why are we still relying on contractsors? >> because we don't have the sailors marines there to supervise this. we had almost no contractors administering at the end of the world war. but today we have contractors. for two organizations to be involved, the first the defense department and i'm talking about the second of defense and second when all else fraails, congress. they write the checks who pay the contractors who wined up not paying afghans. if they are not interestsed,

then they will continue. >> to that point, there are members of congress who have very much indicated they want to make sure that president obama will have to come back to congress after the draw down and the end of next year. i'm wondering if there are any concerns or what concerns are frankly on the ground about the u.s. pulling out next year. >> well, i would say several things. number one, the security forces, of began security forces even though they are putting on a very good face and are very sort of gungho, and their ability to hold on the taliban, they are worried. worried about internal contradictions, worried about the police and local police not stepping up to the plate but also even worried about whether the army can really hold together. especially if there's not a successful presidential election. there's a great deal of concern that politically there may need more after challenge to the military than actual their fighting ability.

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we're now headed into the final week of the supreme court's term and they have certainly saved the best for last. decisions on four of the biggest cases of theier are all expected over the next few days. though the court could decide it grant itself an extension if they need to. justices will rule on challenges to the voting rights act and affirmative action and two cases of involving same-sex marriage. all which could have far-reaching consequences for equal rights in this country. the right to vote, get an education, marry who you love, may be in trouble. court watches have tallied opinions so far. they say it is probably the

conservative justice's turn to write for the majority. thanks so much for joining me, congressman. >> thank you, karen. >> awaiting these decisions against the back drop of the 50th anniversary of martin luther king, jr.'s march in detroit, sort of the precursor to the march on washington, and we have made a lot of progress but are we really at the point where we no longer need these affirmative action and voting rights act? >> you couldn't have asked me a more comfortable question. i was talking about john lewis, who is the young man marched, disregarding life, his safety, and what he said to me was so moving. he said, what kept us going, charlie, was the united states supreme court. no matter what the dogs were barking and biting and the people were beating and they're life on the line, they still had confidence that in that supreme

court, they had the ability to give african-americans a new life, and he said, thousanow we lost that hope. so certain things said during discussions, like whether or not affirmative action should be a right or whether or not voting rights should be a right, things that are so insensitive. so i guess most people believe this is a turning point in our country. and clearly, the court, i don't know whether the history dictate it, they have to find out whether they want politics or the law to survive. and that is -- that's a terrible thing for the court to pub luckily admit that it may have to make a political desession. >> and it may, yet we have seen them do it. >> spencer, if section 5 of the voting rights act and affirmative action are struck down, and is the court making this decision in the backdrop as

the congressman is saying, are they aware sort of of the broader cultural political implications of this decision beyond how they would decide the law? >> well, i don't know if they actually are aware of the larger implications. certainly politicians are going to have more power to manipulate voting rules if the court strikes down section 5 of the voting rights act. in the last section, laws were blocked in florida, texas, south carolina. right now, karen, as we speak, there are 50 bills across the country in state legislatures that basically make voting harder. and the biggest problem is really the local level. these things that are under the radar, that evade national scrutiny. places like in texas where the latino population went to over 56% of the population and the county officials responded by

engaging in a racial jerry-manneder to insure that latinos didn't have voting power. this is the kind of thing we will see more of. in terms of affirmative action, colleges have shown that diversity is important in terms of us competing in a global economy, students being able to interact with people of different perspectives. it is incredibly important. in the university of texas case, they actually had only class and top 10% program, they found like that they needed to consider race. they did. they let in people like karina sanchez who grew up in san antonio. who only learned english when she went to kindergarten. she worked hard, got good grades and right now she is in medical school as a result of getting in. >> congressman rangel, if you look at the proliferation that spence was just talking about, and we saw it during the 2012

voting cycle, the hours of lines of people waiting, the black caucus was very involved to making sure we protected as many peoples' rights as possible, but when i look at lines, i don't know how one could say we don't still need protection in the country. especially when you see african-american and latino people waiting in the lines. >> you shouldn't have to tell african-american latinos that we are out to get you. we don't want you to vote and we are doing all that we can to stop you. and we want you to know it. the governor wants you to know it. the state legislature want you to know it. then because we have this sense of democracy that we say, hell no, we won't let you. you shouldn't have to do that as an american citizen. >> exactly. >> and where blacks and white joining the line, if you say

blacks and latinos, you don't get a decision on who will or won't vote. and with the strangest thing, not just with voting, but handful of white americans, older ones, they don't mind foreigners but just don't want them to be citizens. i don't think they mthink they mind african-americans, they just don't want them voting. >> there are two same-sex marriage cases and there were promising signs during oral arguments last march. actually kind of funny. there was this idea that marriage is solely for pro creation and justice kagan kind of took that on. let's listen. >> if you are over age 55, you don't help with pro creation through marriage. why is that different? >> your honor, even with respect to couples over age 55, it is

very rare that both parties to the couple are infertile and traditional -- >> no, really. because if a couple -- i can just assure you, if both the woman and the man are over age 55, there are not a lot of children coming out of that marriage. >> so spencer, that was a moment of levity. but briefly, kind of give us a sense of where we think the court may go. they could go big on this, from what i'm understanding, or small and very narrow in their decision. >> there are two different cases that play here np one is challenge to same-sex marriage. that ban in california as well as the restriction on benefits, federal benefits, for same sex married couples. that is also at play. the court could do a variety of things. one, they could uphold both of the laws, not strike them down. right? either or both of them. another thing it could do is the court could strike down one or both of the laws.

another, a third option, would be a technical option. which would be not to decide the case. this is a unique case where the government has decided that these laws are unconstitutional and both california and on the federal level and as a result, the federal government has now defended these laws. so a group of republican politicians are essentially defending these laws and the court could say that these politicians just don't have standing and we're not going to decide this case. >> just quickly, it is my understanding that they may take that route in part because they don't want to get into this mess an they are not sure if the country is actually ready. that's part of what i've been reading. >> i think that's a possibility. especially in terms of california. i do think though, especially with regard to doma, federal benefits case, there is a lot of speculation that says the court may say, hey, it is unfair for the federal government to give benefits to some married couples, but not to others. >> that right.

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here is one woman telling her story. the correspondent in this report, thank you for joining me today, mr.burgman. >> thank you. >> what brought you to this issue? >> i teach at university of berkeley. one of my grad students had come across this years ago and we have been pursuing it heavily this past year. it seems to be an anecdotal truth, from those you hear from the ag business, and the price that women have to pay to keep their jobs in many cases.

>> there was a lot of resistance to include women who are immigrant women and women in this country illegally. i think your film so eloquently illustrates why they are just at such greater jeopardy than we may realize. tell us a little bit about what it is that these women, why is it so hard for them to come forward and one of the sort of repercussions when they do come forward. >> well, it is difficult for women to come forward in issues of rape. particularly in the fields where they are isolated, where it is primarily, outnumbered six to one by men, in terms of men versus women workers because in many cases women are undocumented, and also because of cultural reasons, this they don't want to talk about what has happened to them and they don't want their families to

know. there is a wide variety of reasons why they kept silent. only one small federal agency that has shown a focus in talking about the issue and bringing cases forward. >> i was talking about immigration reform the last few weeks. no doubt we will talk about it over the next several weeks and one of the issues here, one of the arguments again made about why not to expand the violence against women act is that women would potentially come to this country and you know, sort of fake it, this they had been raped. so that they could, you know, be eligible to stay in this country under the violence again women act. i i'm i'm assuming that is not at all what you found. >> and nothing prensented to us when they say there is fraud involved. women have to be certified by law enforcement, as we explained, to get one of these visas. they don't always get them in some cases we have looked at.

particularly people continuing to come forward to us, after we were in the various parts of the country. . so it is not just, you will see women in some cases in shadow who never got the abuser. >> supervisors and them self immigrants, changes in employee policy have to come from business owners. what in terms of the agriculture companies -- what's gotten better? what's improved on this issue? >> by the way, there are only three states in the united states that require supervisor foreman have sexual harassment training. so it really is in many ways up to business. there is only one agency directly involved in trying to enforce the law related sexual harassment in terms of federally and that's equal employment opportunity commission. we use that window to document cases. so this isn't necessarily a big movement amongst employers to change although we have seen where there are lawsuits like in washington state. >> right. >> there are new policies coming

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